tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post1128976801015082726..comments2023-09-21T08:20:38.887-04:00Comments on Thus & So: How much retail is too much?Hank Drakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07472406383215657881noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-57374520928161783872011-01-13T08:36:25.577-05:002011-01-13T08:36:25.577-05:00Bev, I agree that new housing is the last thing we...Bev, I agree that new housing is the last thing we need. The value of my own house has been negatively affected by the economic downturn, foreclosure crisis, and glut of unsold housing on the market - all this despite the work I've done to improve my home, interior and exterior.<br /><br />That's one reason why I believe Citizens for Oakwood needs to accept the reality of the situation that the land in South Euclid has been purchased, and the best approach now is to make sure that First Interstate honors their promises in regard to LEED and environmentally sound construction. <br /><br />If Citizens for Oakwood wants to save the Cleveland Heights portion of Oakwood (which is the larger part), they need to get the funds raised to purchase the property. <br /><br />While I agree that the area as a whole needs neither retail nor housing, the fact is that, barring some philanthropist arm-twisting Mitch Schneider into selling or donating the land, part of the South Euclid portion is going to be used as retail. The city needs to make sure that it's done right.<br /><br />Jane Goodman is right when she states that South Euclid's portion of retail development is paltry compared to CH (not to mention other surrounding areas). That's one reason why I hope Cedar Center North (which is not new retail, but replaces previously existing retail) gets completed ASAP. <br /><br />If I was a wealthy philanthropist, I would buy the land and perform remediation to correct the issues caused by the golf course. I woild keep the clubhouse and install a miniature golf course for families to enjoy. The I would donate the land to the Metroparks or whatever authority wanted it. But that is not the reality of the situation.Hank Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472406383215657881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-11508494413742590502011-01-12T19:11:53.308-05:002011-01-12T19:11:53.308-05:00Well said. I would love to know the stats on how ...Well said. I would love to know the stats on how much of the retail space in CH/UH/SE is currently empty and how that compares to regional averages. My gut is that is higher! The last thing this area needs is more housing. I think the new census numbers are going to be shocking to alot of people- population, housing vacancies and increase in rentals. <br /><br />It seems irresponsible of our community leaders to promote new housing and retail when what we have isn't being utilized. Perhaps a better use of our resources would be to figure out how to maintain our property values and lease the current retail space effectivelyBevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-20216796525232851612011-01-08T08:43:48.068-05:002011-01-08T08:43:48.068-05:00Jane, I want to thank you for your comment and esp...Jane, I want to thank you for your comment and especially for putting it under your name.<br /><br />My post was dealing with the overbalance of retail regionally. While there is less retail in South Euclid generally, I would not say those who live here are underserved. I would also point out that South Euclid (citizens and government) prospered with less retail for decades and with a higher population than it has now. <br /><br />It appears with the purchase of the South Euclid portion of Oakwood by First Interstate, the question of using it all as a park is moot. When given the choice between commercial or residential, I would certain prefer commercial. It will be up to the authorities in South Euclid to make sure that First Interstate keeps their promises in terms of environmentally sensitive construction.Hank Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472406383215657881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-66396943050257053702011-01-08T08:37:08.749-05:002011-01-08T08:37:08.749-05:00Anon, if you bothered to read my post you would kn...Anon, if you bothered to read my post you would know I am referring to the park situation in Cleveland Heights and South Euclid only. Neither Shaker Lakes nor the Beachwood park (more of a strip than a park) are in CH or SE. <br /><br />It's also worth pointing out that Shaker Lakes would not even exist were it not for the fortitude of citizens there 50 years ago who banded together to prevent a highway from going there.<br /><br />I agree with you that the Cedar Center north space needs to be completed post-haste. The City of South Euclid's actions in demolishing the old space (which, let's face it, had seen better days) have been discussed at southeuclidoversight.blogspot.com.<br /><br />As for the housing in that area: certainly if houses have been abandoned, they need to be torn down. But there are those who live in CH-SE, myself included, precisely because we don't want to live in a McMansion in some soulless, colorless exurb. <br /><br />By the way, as clearly stated in my profile, I generally don't publish anonymous comments. So if you want to publish again, have some guts and do it under your name.Hank Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472406383215657881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-89056950880548817442011-01-07T23:45:55.406-05:002011-01-07T23:45:55.406-05:00So I guess Shaker Lakes and the new Beachwood park...So I guess Shaker Lakes and the new Beachwood park/reservation are questionable green spaces as well. Cain Park does in fact meander all the way to Forest Hill Park, and I have found Forest Hill to be a very pleasant park, if scruffy around the edges. Your dismissive response on these fine green spaces is weak. And the truth is that there are many nice green spaces both public and private on the east side. And many nice parks as well.<br /><br />I don't think we need new retail space, but I do think we need to replace the space SE foolishly tore down and to replace a lot of the obsolete space along Mayfield. <br /><br />And if we're being truthful we need a place to put replacement housing for the neighborhoods to the east and south of the course that are also obsolete and in need of a date with the wrecking ball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-23310994924598808712011-01-07T21:02:14.467-05:002011-01-07T21:02:14.467-05:00Mad quest for tax revenue? Our city is already on ...Mad quest for tax revenue? Our city is already on the edge because NONE of the mass retail you say we can drive to is in South Euclid. All our residents' money flows out, not in. The tax revenue is the only thing keeping our safety forces and city services going. We're about to lose another 10% of our budget when the new governor cuts off the local government fund payments. You think it's okay for us to support other cities but not for us to ask for a piece of the pie? The option is no longer "commercial" or "park" it's "commercial" or "residential" and if you think there's too much retail, let me tell you that there's way too much residential, and while with this deal we get huge chunks of restored natural area with public access, not poisoned golf course or grass, with residential none of it would be public access and it would be the end of the wildlife we hold dear.Jane Goodmanhttp://www.janegoodman.com/wordpressnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-16206515967308834972011-01-06T13:11:46.059-05:002011-01-06T13:11:46.059-05:00I forgot to mention one thing that all should bear...I forgot to mention one thing that all should bear in mind. While getting approval to build Legacy Village, First Interstate promised to maintain a robust tree barrier between Legacy Village and Richmond & Cedar Roads. Their promise to do this was a factor in their getting approval for the project. First Interstate failed to keep their promise. <br /><br />Now, First Interstate is stating that they will use green construction methods and be environmentally sensitive.<br /><br />I am reminded of that old phrase: <i>Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.</i>Hank Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472406383215657881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-70455641664647612362011-01-06T10:39:00.785-05:002011-01-06T10:39:00.785-05:00Anon, two thirds of Forest Hills park is in East C...Anon, two thirds of Forest Hills park is in East Cleveland. The one-third occupying Cleveland Heights is taken up with baseball fields and a playground. While there is some walkable trail there, much is not conducive to a quiet stroll.<br /><br />As for Cain Park, with the large performance area and other events frequently scheduled there, calling it greenspace is debatable.Hank Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472406383215657881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-3218175417679290622011-01-06T10:03:17.164-05:002011-01-06T10:03:17.164-05:00You did fail to mention Forest Hills Park in Cleve...You did fail to mention Forest Hills Park in Cleveland Heights/East Cleveland, a massive greenspace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3655860448031660683.post-56827588952103933532011-01-05T18:22:56.664-05:002011-01-05T18:22:56.664-05:00I could not agree more. I would love to see that ...I could not agree more. I would love to see that former country club become public greenspace~all of it! Curious about the nine-mile creek mentioned in the PD feature; have never been on the property.sheilaghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312077262245896989noreply@blogger.com